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Post by fluke on Apr 2, 2010 20:23:16 GMT -5
Hey there, fellow Anomalians! I'm the Frank Luke CS published in the current issue of TC2. The second story, "Sunset Over Gunther," is mine. I welcome any comments, criticisms, etc. on it. [Mods, if this thread is in the wrong forum, please move it. I don't mind.] I wrote it to explore one of the characters in my novel. He was not the focus character, but my beta readers loved him. So, I decided to find out what made Shylocke Averyson tick. The result, "Sunset," explores a turning point in his life. I will give more background to the story, if wanted at another time, but for now, I'd like the story to stand on its own.
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Post by Grace Bridges on Apr 4, 2010 15:23:25 GMT -5
Hi, Frank! Good to meet you Your story has a very unique viewpoint. Is it part of a larger project?
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Post by fluke on Apr 4, 2010 20:53:55 GMT -5
Thanks, Grace. I enjoyed your story in TC2.
"Sunset" was written for a work I call Prequels. It's a collection of background stories for the main characters in my fantasy trilogy (working on book 2). "Sunset" is the only part of Prequels finished, though I have a complete outline and partial drafting of "My Brother's Keeper."
So far, Shylocke has been the most popular character from the novel. If he keeps being as popular, I can see him being the focus of more works. Based on reader response, I have increased his page count in book 2.
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Post by Bainespal on Apr 15, 2010 17:27:20 GMT -5
I'm happy to give you some feedback, Frank. I'd like to learn more of your fantasy novels. You've published one book so far?
Anyways, here are my thoughts:
The experience of reading "Sunset Over Gunther" was one of constantly changing expectations for me. The modern-sounding first-person narrative voice had me expecting some sort of irony at first, perhaps even a parody of the high fantasy genre. The title as well as some small details seemed to confirm this first impression as I started reading, but I think I misinterpreted. Doubtlessly, the colorful, modern-sounding narrative voice was intentional, but there is no parody in this story! On the contrary, "Sunset Over Gunther" is grimly serious, without so much as any indisputable comic relief to soften it. It is truly epic fantasy in every conceivable way.
Another way that this short story surprised me was its length. Perhaps it's longer than average for the stories that have so far been submitted to The Cross and the Cosmos, but that's not what I mean. After having finished my second reading of the story, I counted the number of pages that "Sunset Over Gunther" comprises in the PDF document of Issue 3, and I was amazed to discover how comparatively few pages I had read. The first time I read it, it had seemed to me as if it were longer. Although the plot does cover a lot of material, I think that the primary reason for this feeling of greater length is that the plot is structured almost exactly like that of a novel. The story begins with a miniature prologue, the length of which in comparison to the the whole short story is probably about proportional to the length of a novel's prologue in comparison to the whole novel. Unlike the traditional concept of the short story, and like a novel, the plot is not a linear narration of one incident and the immediate consequences but proceeds by jumping across several scenes. Of course, the scenes are much fewer and shorter than they would be in a book-length work. In fact, the only real design flaw that I noticed is that the rapid development of the plot in the few scenes takes away the sense of suspense that seems like it should be present, given the nature of the storyline. However, the only way to correct this, short of expanding the short story into a novel, would be to completely restructure and reduce the plot so that it could be related linearly.
There is no doubt that the plot is of epic proportions, but I think that this is more due to the serious characterization and the deep existential themes than to inherent greatness of the themes themselves. The characters are all portrayed with a solemn intensity. This is not to say that all the characters have solemn personalities, but they are all developed in a serious way. The protagonist is deeply portrayed in every detail of his being, because the first-person narration is told through his eyes. However, other characters do not have the chance to be developed beyond simple archetypes due to the fast rate of the plot, with the exception of one supporting character. The story is somewhat tragic, but it is not a pure tragedy in the Shakespearean sense because the downfall of the protagonist is the inevitable result of fate, not caused by a tragic character flaw. Anyways, I don't feel that the the protagonist's downfall is complete. The stage is set for the tragic hero to find spiritual resolution in a sequel.
The nature of the fantasy world that these characters inhabit was another area in which my first notions, and even my second ones, proved to be inaccurate. The worldbuilding is not really nonstandard in any way; it is a fairly typical high fantasy. This fantasy world does lacks much of the high romantic quality of Tolkien's, but that's not necessarily unusual in modern fantasy. The real surprise was that the protagonist's people worship a pantheon of deities not unlike those of Greek or of Norse mythology. Although magic is not directly seen in this story, the setting has a sword-and-sorcery feel to it, reminiscent of roleplaying settings such as Forgotten Realms. There are people in this world who worship the Triune Christian God, and it seems likely that their religion is essentially historical Christianity, pasted into the fantasy context. This nation, for all intents and purposes Christian, is the hostile enemy of the protagonist's people. It is implied that this monotheistic enemy is motivated only by greed; the author is not very sympathetic to them. Thus, the external conflict is between the infidels on the one hand, and the Pharisees on the other. There are other cultures and peoples besides the these two hostile human kingdoms. A fair level of design has gone into the worldbuilding. I particularly enjoyed discovering the way that surnames are formed in the protagonist's culture.
The confusion and especially and especially the spiritual ignorance of the characters provides the basis for the philosophical theme of this work of literature. The internal conflict raises the age-old issue of the apparent paradox between free will and fate (predestination). The disillusionment that the protagonist finds through the failure of his attempts to be strong and heroic lays forth the question of the value of the individual, and the source of that value.
The technical aspect of this complicated story seems to be polished and professional. My attention was caught in the very first line by the skillful poetic quality of the opening sentence. The writing is perfectly capable throughout. However, there are some instances of ambiguity due to the colloquial first-person narrative voice.
"Sunset Over Gunther" takes a bold literary approach to spiritual issues from a Christian perspective. I don't think all Christian authors, or maybe even readers, could handle it. There is some potentially uncomfortable content in the story, and I could imagine its earnest intensity and unbroken severity turning some people off. Personally, I love the story, and I appreciate the philosophical dilemma. In all of literature, it must be hard to find the hopelessness of the human condition explored so concisely as we find in "Sunset Over Gunther." In the process, this story makes our own hope and peace in Christ all the more precious to us, and I stand in awe.
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Post by fluke on Apr 16, 2010 21:17:25 GMT -5
Thank you for the review. I read it on lunch and work and smiled the rest of the day. Even when I discovered something I didn't do 6 months ago bit me, I didn't care.
Sorry for the confusion. I've completed Gifts of Healing but it has not been published. It's in the review hopper at Marcher Lord Press, but hasn't been officially yeahed or nayed by Jeff.
The story in Gifts takes place 10 years after the fall of Gunther. The POV character there is a young Knight Luminar named Grimthol Freeman. At 24, he's only had his spurs for 2 years, and is 6 years younger than Shylocke.
I'll post the synopsis here:
If you have other questions (such as about the world), I'd be happy to address them.
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Post by Bainespal on Apr 17, 2010 13:41:24 GMT -5
Ah, I remember seeing that synopsis in Marcher Lord Select. Good work!
I'm assuming that Shylocke is one of the "four unbelieving adventures." But don't feel the need to confirm or deny that; you probably don't want to completely reveal everything about your first novel to its target audience before it gets published.
I've got one question about the world, something I've been wondering in regard to Christian high fantasy for a while. You essentially have real Christian theology, even something very like a form of the Christian religion, as an active element in your fictional world. I'm not sure if I can express my thought here.... How is the Christianity-like religion in your world analogous to the condition that exists in our world?
Essentially what I mean is this: Did Calvary happen in your fictional world? If not, then how does faith in God "work" for your essentially Christian characters? If so, then to what extent is your fantasy setting an alternate history?
Some other less heavy things I'm curious about include the way your portray elves and dwarves, especially the way elves and humans interact in light of the fact that the elves are also followers of the Father. Were the elves the original "Christians"? Are they comparable to the Jews, perhaps, as the first group to which the revelation and promise was given?
The element of sinister black magic definitely comes across much better in the short story than it does in the synopsis, which probably doesn't do justice to the novel.
Well, thanks for sending "Sunset Over Gunther" to The Cross and the Cosmos. I really enjoyed it.
Regards, Paul
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Post by fluke on Apr 17, 2010 15:50:14 GMT -5
Paul,
There was a Calvary where the Son died to atone for others' sins and a Resurrection. To what extent it's an alternate history is a tough question. There are analogous events and places. There are 7 continents, but they are shaped differently. I have tried to make the theological questions and debates true to the time period (1300s). This includes the Dwarven Orthodox Church splitting off from the Children of the Son over the filioque issue several centuries before the story.
At the same time, items which I feel are unsound must be downplayed. The papacy here is much less potent. As you can see, not all of the continent has been converted at the beginning of "Sunset." Gunther, Akalbriel, and Dorval have very little presence of the Church.
Elves and humans now get along well. They didn't always. Not because the elves are analogous to Jews, but because the old Elven Empire is analogous to Rome. The elves condemned the Son to death. As human nations grew in power, they hated and persecuted the elves, even those who followed the Son. (As an aside, because the hatred was focused elsewhere, the Jewish people were never seen as Christ-killers.) Elves and humans did finally make peace. Humans even pastor elven churches and vice-versa. The Knights Luminar also have a sizable contingent of elves in their number.
The latest story I'm working on for Prequels (I've hit a snag with My Brother's Keeper for the moment) involves a Miracleman (prophet) who turns his back on the Father to try and get his wife and children back. The title is New Life, and when his prayers to cure them of a plague are unheard, he casts off his white robes to don the green and black of a Necromancer.
You're welcome and thank you!
Frank
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Post by Bainespal on Apr 18, 2010 16:34:51 GMT -5
Cool! Your fantasy definitely has an element of alternate history to it. I think it's natural for the genres of high fantasy and alternate history to mingle, as they both present worlds that are very much like ours in some ways, but are fundamentally different in other ways. The Wikipedia article for "high fantasy" suggests as much. I find church history to be a fascinating subject. I'm taking an elective course that gives a very general overview of it. In fact, I only learned about the filioque issue between the Eastern and Western churches recently. There are probably both advantages and disadvantages to specifically naming real-world historical events in a high fantasy. At any rate, it will probably be unique, and it will definitely be interesting! Hmm... I'm sure it will be a good story, but the premise makes me uncomfortable. I strongly dislike stories about apostasy, because I used to be terrified of committing the unpardonable sin and going to hell. It still crosses my mind from time to time. My pastor tells me that Hebrews 10:26-27 isn't about losing salvation, and he may be very right, but whatever it means in reference to our religious vocabulary words like "saved", there is absolutely no hope for the apostate described by the verse. I'm not sure that I could bring myself to read a fantasy novel with a plot about apostasy, or with an apostate protagonist; I would be too afraid to.
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Post by fluke on Apr 19, 2010 12:21:52 GMT -5
So do I. I did a yearlong series on it at my church on Sunday nights.
I probably said to much. I will say that I am a licensed minister with the Assemblies of God, and we do believe in apostasy as a real thing. That said, it is not something that one does accidentally. One cannot "lose" salvation. One, however, can choose to turn away from it. I do not want this to become a theology discussion. It is the conclusion of my higher ups (and myself), and the way I present it in "New Life."
Then we have another question for Derke (protag of "New Life"). After turning his back on the Father, can he ever come back? That's explored in the full novels.
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