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Post by veritasseeker90 on Feb 19, 2009 20:32:48 GMT -5
I had honestly never thought of it that way. But no, no plastic surgery. Your objections do make sense, though when I stop to think about them.
If I may explore a bit further, Angels. What's your opinion on them being able to come to us in the form of people? I'm not necessarily looking into making them angels- that just feels a bit wrong and too complicated to dwell on-- but I've been reading commentaries a lot about their being mentioned in the Bible and how they come to us.
Just curious as to your thoughts.
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Post by mongoose on Feb 19, 2009 22:39:18 GMT -5
Hello? Odo? The other changelings in Star Trek? Did their souls change when they assumed the shape of the wall, or the hand bag, or made a hole in their head so the thrown knife could pass through without harming them, etc.?
*evil grin* I know, to y'all, Star Trek doesn't count because they don't have scientifically plausible explanations of how things work in their universe. It's not hard science fiction. But the characters sure are cool!
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Post by seraphim on Feb 19, 2009 22:58:00 GMT -5
Dear Veritas,
My guess is we see a form that is in some way appropriate to a particular angel, but they are not material, how they appear to us does not mean that appearance is what they are bodily...it is them as it is given to us to comprehend them. But that said until someone gets to do an extensive evaluation of an angel one on one our speculations remain only that.
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Post by veritasseeker90 on Feb 19, 2009 23:09:30 GMT -5
True, that. Thanks for enduring my endless questions and exploring the unknown with me. I think I've finally decided to go with something else.
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Post by Divides the Waters on Feb 20, 2009 19:43:51 GMT -5
The "angels" in my story (the "Vigilant") can shapeshift in a sense, but that's because they're not fully in this dimension. What we see is merely a kind of puppet-like extension into our realm. One character in the story uses the analogy of a fish in a bowl seeing a finger or a toe stuck in the water, and seeing that as the representation of the being (not unlike the blind men and the elephant). But we never see them fully in their true form, because we can't.
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Post by pixydust on Feb 21, 2009 10:58:19 GMT -5
This is a very interesting idea. I've never thought of it this way. Not sure I agree, but it has interesting implications if it's true. It sounds a bit similar to how the JWs think of our souls, actually. Veritas: I really like the idea of "fallen" angels being the characters. Not that they're evil nessesarily, but fallen I mean here on earth for a long period of time. Have you seen the movie, "Gabriel" ? Anyway, it made me think of that. In that movie they're not shapshifters but it sets a stage for an angel idea I found interesting. I encourage you not to be afraid to explore the unexplored in your work. Theology doean't have to be perfect--the truth is 99% of agnel stuff is guesswork. I have a shapeshifter in one of my novels, The Willow Door. In my mythos the fae were created to guard creation after the fall of man. Some were corrupted by the "darkness" of the world (sin ) and some kept to the covenant. I stuck with most of the existing faerie lore and incorporated my mythos. It seems to work perfectly. My shapeshifter is an Alfar (a more elvish fae) who has an effinity with ravens. He uses them as spies (he can see through their eyes) and can shift into a murder of them--he's an evil guy. So, play around with known ideas about angels and then make up your own. It's pretty much an open forum. Have fun with it and don't worry that your theology might be off--most of the theologins can't agree on half the stuff anyway. God's waaaay bigger than anything we can come up with in our pea brains.
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Post by torainfor on Feb 21, 2009 11:21:17 GMT -5
DtW: Ooooh. Very Plato and Allegory of the Cave!
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave)
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Post by Divides the Waters on Feb 28, 2009 19:54:33 GMT -5
Hadn't seen this one before. Interesting!
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Post by stardreamer on Apr 12, 2009 23:27:11 GMT -5
my mom actually thinks the garden of Eden might be something along the lines of atlantis. I seem to be very bad at geography (unless it has to do with fantasy maps), but somewhere in... I think it is the atlantic ocian... there is a ring of underwater valcanoes. It might even be called the ring of fire, but doesn't that just sound all tolkien-ey? Anyway, my mom's theory is that this ring of fire might actually have something to do with the angel with the flaming sword that God placed before Eden's gate.
Just an interesting tid-bit.
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Post by mongoose on Apr 14, 2009 21:17:04 GMT -5
I live on the Ring of Fire. It's also called the Pacific Rim. One of its volcanoes is acting up as we type, and just erupted about two weeks ago, several times. The ring extends down through California and perhaps farther, up along the west coast of the Americas, through the Aleutian Chain in south west Alaska, and down along the east coast of Asia, including Japan.
I don't know if there's anything like that in the Atlantic or not. *shrugs*
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Post by torainfor on Apr 15, 2009 8:17:53 GMT -5
I lived in Portland when St. Helens blew. Ash for months. And I lived on Oahu for three years, but I only felt one of the Big Island's earthquakes. It was enough to unsettle the Oahu powerplant and shut it down, but we didn't lose any structures.
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Post by stardreamer on Apr 22, 2009 12:44:11 GMT -5
*lol* like I said, not very good with geography!
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