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Post by Christian Soldier on Aug 31, 2009 23:46:52 GMT -5
I hate Philosophy class... it makes me think. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I was considering HyperSpace(While reading about Immanuel Kant no less).
When a ship, or other object, goes faster than light, it becomes subect to the theory of relativity. Basically, I was positing that the object is pushed further into the 4th dimension: time. After this, the object would emerge to a universe much older than when it went in.
But why? What if Human kind really wasn't designed to have four complete dimensions to go through, or more precisely, an even number of dimensions.
Think of it this way: we have three dimensions + time, shown as 3D+1. When we break the light barrier, we become 4D, but no +1. What if, in order to go past the speed of light we have to enter into 4D+1.
I was thinking on it and it makes a certain kind of sense. By entering into an additional dimension, we can surpass the rules binding us within our 3+1 dimensions. Time is still there, but we're above it, operating with it as opposed to against it when we go strictly 4D. Does that make sense?
That would mean that in 4D+1 time would continue on as though nothing odd were happening, like going faster than we're supposed to.
I wonder what kind of navigational anomalies would be present in such a place? Would some sensor readings disappear into the original 3 dimensions (plus one)? Or would all the old systems still work?
What about beings and objects that always exist in 4D+1 space? How would they be different than us?
And of course, the question: Do God and His angels exist within out 3D+1 universe or higher? Is that why time would work different in Heaven than on Earth?
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Post by tris on Sept 1, 2009 8:22:30 GMT -5
Intriguing idea.....presupposing that time itself is not a created phenomenon. I always thought time was something God created after the fall and that He was always outside of it. Which would explain why Biblical writers always had such a hard time putting eternal ideas into something temporal beings could grasp.
But why limit your idea to only four dimensions? There are enough strange phenomenon in the universe itself (such as braided rings around Saturn and those pesky little shepherd moons) that defy our laws of physics. It presupposes a different set of laws altogether.
And there are precedents for following that line of thinking. My favorite example is the good ole law of gravity. What goes up, must come down. Except for airplanes. Which use the higher law of aerodynamics to circumvent gravity. Apply the same principle to faster than light and you may find a whole 'nother dimension where people can walk through walls.
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Post by Christian Soldier on Sept 1, 2009 9:10:40 GMT -5
This is true... or hit walls that they didn't see and couldn't interact with before. Hmm..
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Post by tris on Sept 1, 2009 19:16:25 GMT -5
Oooh...wouldn't that make an interesting story. A place where folks walk through walls as easily as we walk through air. Only one day they smack right into them. Did their world change or did they change worlds? Or maybe something or someone entered their world that transformed it forever. Interesting concept.
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Post by Christian Soldier on Sept 1, 2009 22:45:57 GMT -5
This is getting more and more interesting. So, say that Human beings maybe could access this 4D+1 dimension, or an even higher one, or better yet, have been given a glimps of it. What would these people look like?
Would they lunatics? -- or prophets?
Sociopaths? -- or visionaries?
Drug addict? -- or seer?
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Post by tris on Sept 2, 2009 8:19:17 GMT -5
Might explain why John had such trouble explaining things in Revelation.
Maybe they'd be a little bit of both. Wouldn't it nearly drive you mad to try to live in two different dimensions? Or how about the frustration (even despair) of having a glimpse of something so incredible that you can never return to?
Maybe Lazarus felt the same after Jesus raised him from the dead. For a brief period of time he lived in the 4d+1 dimension, then had to come back here to a place where he's tethered by gravity.
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Post by Christian Soldier on Sept 2, 2009 9:02:04 GMT -5
Ouch! Poor guy. Makes sense, though. I think Ezekiel may have had the same problem.
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Post by tris on Sept 5, 2009 12:28:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but he finally got to get back to that dimension....and in style.
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Post by Christian Soldier on Sept 5, 2009 18:41:31 GMT -5
This is true. I know that we Christians have nothing to fear from death, but I'll bet Lazarus was looking forward to it
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Post by kouter on Sept 5, 2009 19:31:22 GMT -5
When a ship, or other object, goes faster than light, it becomes subect to the theory of relativity. Ah relativity! Actually CS the theory of relativity places the speed of light as the universal speed limit. You can't move faster than that. Hyperspace and warp are ways around the speed limit by artifically decreasing the distance by making a hole in space-time. I actually think this cosmit speed limit is amazing and true scientific proof of God's existance. Why would there be a speed limit? Its a cosmic quirk. The closer you approach the speed of light, the slower time (relative to the person moving becomes). So when you actually reach the speed of light t=0! Time stops. Not only that but your mass increases as you approch the speed of light. So your mass would be infinite. And your length shorts, so you'd be a verticle line! Mind boggling!
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Post by tris on Sept 5, 2009 19:37:45 GMT -5
I wonder what a story would be like where the forbidden fruit in the Garden was breaking the speed of light?
Kouter, while we know those theories work in our world and physical frame of reference, there is no proof that speed of light is a constant in God's greater reality. In fact, it can't be if He is everywhere at once.
And that's the beauty of science fiction --- we can find ways around that little dilemna!
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Post by Christian Soldier on Sept 5, 2009 22:27:24 GMT -5
Keep i nmind that it's called relativity for a reason: the effects are relative. From the outside, it would look like the ship, or object, was stretching and elongating, getting heavier. From inside, it would appear that time was standing still inside the ship whilst outside it would proceed at a normal rhythm.
Relativity does not, however, explain the how of it, per se. The faster you approach the light/time barrier, the eternal speed limit, the closer you get to breaking that bearier. Once you hit it, you proceed faster and faster through time without going all that much faster in regular space.
Hyperspace, then, is 4D+1. From 3D+1 space, it would appear that the ship was elongated, odd, off, but the occupants would only notice that they felt odd, maybe somethings wouldn't be exactly where they ought.
I suppose, that rather than suddenly having time fly, it would be a gradual thing as you squeeze into 4D space, which leaves relativity intact. If you can squeeze into 4D+1, where light isn't the limit any more, then you can have fun fly when you are having time, as it were.
Hmm... so here's another question: would there be a point where you hit another wall in 4D+1 space? Would relativity kick in again, or would it be something different?
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Post by tris on Sept 10, 2009 8:25:57 GMT -5
Hmm...interesting dilemna CS. I suppose there could be another wall in 4D+1 space. It would also presuppose another set of parameters, though. I keep thinking of an experiment I did back in high school for extra credit in a math course. (got the idea out of a book, of course!)
Place two mirrors perpendicular to each other and place an object inside. You keep adding mirrors until you actually have a box of mirrors on all four sides. The corresponding dimensions will blow your mind.
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Post by Christian Soldier on Sept 10, 2009 21:52:53 GMT -5
Hmm... interesting. I'll have to try that sometime. . . and put a cat in the middle. That would be interesting. Would the cat recognise his handsome self, or realize that the monster on the other side of that besky glass as a threat? How would he react to so many reflections of himself?
How would we?
Of course, the another question is whether a limitless God would create a limitless number of dimensions, or would He limit us, give us limits to our sand box?
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Post by tris on Sept 12, 2009 9:53:48 GMT -5
I'm reminded of something said in a Stargate episode dealing with multi dimensions. Tealc, the one non-human character seemed to grasp Christianity more fully than any of his human friends. His quote was that what happened in the others didn't matter because this was the true reality.
I suppose from the other dimensions probably felt the same way. What I found interesting was that (just like past history) foreign cultures more readily recognize truth when they see it, than our own culture.
Maybe the point of conflict is how we deal with the emotions generated by so many reflections of ourselves? Maybe one of the points a limitless God is trying to show is that we are all reflections of Him and there's a limitless number of us.
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