More pre-Flood questions

[timewalker]

anyone out there know if the earth was perpendicular prior to the flood, ergo, no seasons?currently earth is 23.5 tilt...does the angle effect the color of the sky?

[Divides the Waters]

Timewalker, no one knows. But some creationists have suggested that the 23.5 degree tilt could be a result of the flood. You would have more even temperatures and seasons if the earth were on a perpendicular orbit. There are a number of theories about the antediluvian world, all of which are fascinating and mind-stimulating. What have your resources been? What is your starting point?

[Kessie]

Here's an article that addresses some of those questions:
www.khouse.org/articles/1997/12/

Also, if there was a vapor canopy (making the seventh layer in the atmosphere, incidentally), it would certainly change the look of the sky a bit. Maybe make it a much lighter blue? I don't know. I know the Earth's tilt is what affects the seasons and the weather. There were no seasons until after the flood (cold and heat, springtime and harvest shall not cease), implying that the Earth's axis was not tilted until after the Flood.

The atmosphere is what sets the color of the sky, i.e. the scattering of light waves. That's why the colors change at sunset, because the light comes at a lower angle through more atmosphere and more colors get scattered. (Correct me if I'm wrong, science peoples! I'm quoting this verbatim.)

[timewalker]

Divides the water, I should have asked, heard any Creation based theories regarding the earth's axis pre-flood. My goal is to create a story world that is as factual as possible. I have discussed through email various topics with several Creation scientist on a wide variety topics (including water canopy theory). These two questions were not among them.

When Adam and Eve were thrown out of the garden, God told Adam he would have to til the soil (paraphrase). I believe the impact of sin affected the entire planet starting then. I think the atmosphere started experiencing changes then.

Perhaps the poles changed from tropical to where they are today as well as they deserts started to form. I read an interesting by Don Daae; Arhaeological Evidences of Pre-Flood Civilizations, which talked about pre-flood man going from nomadic food gatherers (tropical, food and water abundant) and hunters, to a more agricultural as the land became drier..."the desert areas began to expand."

He goes on to say this is how the ancient cultures started. He goes on to talk about the pyramid builders an other cyclopean stone structures came to exist. That fits nicely with my time travelers finding Nephilim set up as gods of these urban areas.

Anyway, I'm kinda coming full circle back to where I started, thinking of the atmosphere. Certainly, my scientist, explorers will have something they need to say about it me thinks. When I first read about the water canopy I thought, "great, that works!" That theory seems very dubious from what I've read on various Creationis websites.

I decided that the scientist on this expedition dies as their time machines crash lands on ancient earth (I can do that), thereby avoiding the need for difficult (at least for me) theories. My ex-Navy seal hero only needs to describe what he saw.

Now, what does he see...green sky, lavender, or deeper blue? Somehow, I feel like it should be different.

Lessie, I believe you are correct about he sunset/rise color variance. I vaguely remember my astronomy prof saying something like that!

[Kessie]

Oh yes, also there was more oxygen before the flood.

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/845563/posts

This is an evolution-oriented article, but it's talking about the higher oxygen concentration found in bubbles in amber. With higher oxygen levels, not only would everything grow larger (like insects), but wounds would heal super-fast. They actually use it via hyperbaric chambers.

www.woundhealingcenter.org/faq.htm

I read a story somewhere (can't find it now) about a little girl who had fallen down a well and the blood was cut off to her leg, and they were going to have to amputate it. But they put her in a hyperbaric chamber and her leg came back to life, all but half of one toe, which they did have to amputate.

[Divides the Waters]

Most proponents of the vapor canopy suggest that the daytime sky would have been pink.

[timewalker]

Beautiful! You both have stimulated thought for me! The idea of the oxygen rich environment is great news for my main characture who gets banged up alot! On e of the things troubling me was, how can someone live to be so old in a violent environment? Gneiss tells us that man became more violent as they approached the flood. Not to mention wild animals, Nephilim etc. Perhaps that is one of the reasons...

If you look at the lifespan of the generations after Noah, the get progressively shorter. I have read that the loss of the rich oxygen exposed man to more harmful radiation from the sun.

A pink sky...having lived on the beach for several years, I have seen my share of colorful sunsets and pink is definitely one of those colors! Thank you both!


Words are vehicles that convey thought!

[yoda47]

The vapor canopy would also explain the lack of seansons (even global tempratures due to global warming, better heat retention, etc.)

Also, the vapor canopy would block radiation, which would also help people to live longer, along with the higher O2 levels.

There are some proplems with the vapor canopy theory, but that's the fun of fiction, we get to explore the "what-ifs".

[Jacob Lindaman]

I doubt it would be perpendicular. Perpendicular planets and moons have pretty harsh living conditions. Too much gravity in one place, not enough in another. Read the book 'The Priveleged Planet' for optimum hospitible environments.

The tsunami that hit Thailand a few years affected the tilt of the Earth a little-i know i was shocked when i learned that. Maybe a much larger earthquake could tilt the earth even more.

In regards to Adam having to till the soil i believe (don't have a bible in front of me) the bible says that he had to wrestle with thorns and weeds, not just till the soil. If your angle is that Adam must now work i think you may be a little off, but check different bible versions to see what they say. There was definately work in the garden, but it was of a different nature.

This is one of the coolest sites i have ever seen regarding rare atmospheric events. www.atoptics.co.uk/

Another cool book is 'After The Flood' by Bill Cooper. Cooper discusses what the earth may have been like shortly after Noah's Flood. Very cool ideas regarding primitive man from a Biblical perspective. ldolphin.org/cooper/

And just for fun i found this book on google books, but have not had much time to investigate. AN HISTORICAL TREATISE OF THE TRAVELS OF NOAH INTO Europe:

Another cool book is 'Underworld' by Graham Hancock. Not a Christian perspective, but you can easily see how his observations tie into an antedeluvian world.

[timewalker]

Thank you for the info Jacob!

[Kessie]

More weirdness: human skulls with horns, found in Pennsylvania in the 1880s.

www.burlingtonnews.net/hornedrace.html

This skull was proclaimed "stolen" by the museum, incidentally. And it's never been recovered. Convenient, that.